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Post by perignis on Dec 13, 2011 1:05:09 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
I just stumbled here from reading posts on /x/ downloaded the pdf "Aspects of evocation" Just looking to learn more about this.
Questions:
Is this a form of meditation per se?
What is a thoughtform, tulpa, servitor?
What other good reads can I find on the subject?
I'm glad I've found a relatively new forum so I can see the community grow, Thanks in advance.
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Post by alchemic on Dec 13, 2011 1:09:15 GMT -5
I haven't read the pdf, though I'm about do download it, but I can answer some questions about evocation, at least to the extent that I've used it in my practice.
Yes, evocation is a form of meditation. Generally speaking, evocation is the process of drawing another being into yourself, so that you can use some property, knowledge, or some other aspect of a being to achieve a goal. This process is normally very intensive. When applied on a lighter level, it is known as aspecting
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Post by Baron on Dec 13, 2011 1:11:55 GMT -5
Hmm. From what I've gathered, evocation is bringing an entity forth, invocation is bringing an entity into your body.
You need to meditate to achieve both.
Tulpas and Servitors are thoughtforms (beings made of spirit matter). It's arguable if Tulpas are a kind of Servitors or just something similar.
As for other more to read on, check our Resource section
Welcome aboard!
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Post by alchemic on Dec 13, 2011 1:19:15 GMT -5
The way I learned it, evocation was taking on the quality of an entity (usually of a deity) inside of yourself. Invocation was where the entity/diety either a)took a presence in your circle or b)physically possessed you. Though I will grant, I have heard others say that before
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Post by Baron on Dec 13, 2011 1:22:51 GMT -5
Oh, odd. What I read says your "b" option for Invocation is right, but evocation was the "a" option.
Gonna have to look it up.
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Post by perignis on Dec 13, 2011 1:30:33 GMT -5
Yes, evocation is a form of meditation. Generally speaking, evocation is the process of drawing another being into yourself, so that you can use some property, knowledge, or some other aspect of a being to achieve a goal. This process is normally very intensive. When applied on a lighter level, it is known as aspecting Aspecting? What's that? Lighter level how? In resources, energy time? |
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Post by alchemic on Dec 13, 2011 1:39:14 GMT -5
Lighter, as in the state of meditation required to do so.
Specifically in my tradition, it is used to take on a qualitie(s) of a deity during a ritual (or spell. Even for self-defense, if the situation calls for it) to achieve something that wouldn't be able to be done otherwise. For example, temporarily taking on the healing abilities of Dian Cecht, the knowledge of Badb, the strength of Cuchulain, etc
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Post by wolf on Dec 13, 2011 1:46:28 GMT -5
Would is be possible to evoke/invoke with no knowledge of it? Like subconsciously etc. This is very relevant to my interest.
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Post by Baron on Dec 13, 2011 1:48:59 GMT -5
I find it largely unlikely. But it's not my place to say it's impossible.
Mainly because there are so many steps to it, that achieving this by mistake seems farfetched.
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Post by alchemic on Dec 13, 2011 1:51:14 GMT -5
I'm with Baron on this one. This is the kind of thing you have to mean to do in order to accomplish. I could see a deity revealing themselves to someone in a dream and having a conversation with them, but the kind of intent needed to do either makes it a good bit unlikely that it would happen on accident. Then again, stranger things have happened
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Post by wolf on Dec 13, 2011 1:56:56 GMT -5
Aw well. Thanks for the responses guys.
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Post by perignis on Dec 13, 2011 21:59:29 GMT -5
What of spirit guides? What are they how do you comunicate with them?
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Post by f3n1xhvn732 on Dec 14, 2011 13:41:45 GMT -5
Yeah the spirit guides are personal, some manifest, other require your active participation (from what I´ve heard). I don´t know too much about that.
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Post by madimi on Dec 15, 2011 22:50:34 GMT -5
Just a few notes:
Invocation (In) is the practice of calling a spirit into your own consciousness.
Evocation (Out) is the practice of calling a spirit into your presence, but outside of your own consciousness. It is often attempted to give the spirit some sort of physical medium to express itself, such as taking a form through incense, or a vision through a scrying mirror, but the main difference is that there is some sort of boundry between the magician and the spirit.
Thoughtforms are a pretty broad generalization. They encompass servitores, egregores, tuplas, or any other sort of entity that is created by the magician. I don't know very much about tulpas, but they seem to differ from servitores most significantly in the aspect that tulpas are designed to be intelligent beings, and servitores are often designed to be mindless drones; simply an extention of the magician's will to carry out some sort of mindless task.
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Post by f3n1xhvn732 on Dec 15, 2011 23:30:48 GMT -5
And you are right. Thoughtform are a broad generalization.
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