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Post by Baron on Dec 12, 2011 2:17:57 GMT -5
So, here's the gist of it: I've been long interested in making a construct for various reasons. Personal protection, healing (I used to work part time at a clinic), information gathering, scaring the shit out of a specific person and so on.
But I have zero experience in it, since I've never actually done it, other than reading a lot. Right now, I plan on making a construct to gather information. The kind of information it'll gather will vary and done on command. From what I've gathered, constructs become better at certain tasks after doing it for a while and the more specific their purpose is, the easier it is on them. I'll probably bind it to an object like a ring, something I can keep on myself most of the time without arising curiosity. While the optiomal shape is a floating sphere with tendrils coming out of it, I'll aim for a very specific shape: an owl. The reason? None. I just like it. The construct would have the ability to speak, even if just in my mind and no one else but me would be able to see it (although I'm sure more experienced mages would certainly be able to at least sense it, although I get mixed responses if they can be seen at all). The feeding method would be just meditating on the object the servant is bound to and the "emotion" that it'd be based on would be curiosity and loyality.
Am I missing anything? Got any question or suggestions? Please do post them.
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Post by Baron on Dec 12, 2011 2:20:37 GMT -5
Also, pardon my ignorance. I meant servitor, not servant.
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Post by sunday on Dec 12, 2011 2:31:34 GMT -5
Also interested in this, seems like a very interesting topic.
i've heard that meddling with Tulpas can be somewhat dangerous as they have a habit of turning on their masters by trying to kill them or steal their energy among other claims.
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Post by Baron on Dec 12, 2011 2:35:37 GMT -5
It highly depends on how you make it. If you bind it to an object, you can just cleanse it, destroying the servitor. If you don't want to meditate on it, just change the "feeding" method. It could be bodily fluids or even actual food (although it won't physically eat it). It can only feed off its master's energy if it's programmed to "eat" it. As for turning against their masters, just focus on making them loyal during the creation process.
At least it's what I've gathered so far.
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Post by bladediris on Dec 12, 2011 2:50:59 GMT -5
It definitely seems like an interesting thing, as long as you're able to control it. I mean it's like having someone who's willing to do anything for you. Though I wonder if they themselves can be hurt, like fight for you instead of you...
Or just how loyal they can be in the end. I don't want my new "friend" killing me in my sleep.
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Post by Baron on Dec 12, 2011 2:57:04 GMT -5
I doubt they can manifest themselves physically or even affect the physical plane in any way. Maybe influence thoughts or instill dread (in the "scare-the-shit-out-of-someone case). So, no, they can't directly harm you. But they can put you in harm's way. A servitor made to protect you won't physically fight for you if someone attacks you or anything, but it'll simply make people not want to attack you or something of the like.
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Post by Novaweiss on Dec 12, 2011 2:58:08 GMT -5
How are thoughtforms in terms of companionship? Would it have a personality and all that, or would I be better off just looking for my spirit guide?
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Post by Baron on Dec 12, 2011 3:02:02 GMT -5
I advise against forming bonds with constructs. If you need companionship, seek it from other humans. If you must have a paranormal companion, go for spirits, guide or not.
Keep in mind you CAN invoke a spirit for that purpose. Invocation and evocation are different things.
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Post by bladediris on Dec 12, 2011 3:04:36 GMT -5
Hmm, but what about at least friends? Wouldn't a thoughtform friend be a good idea?
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Post by Novaweiss on Dec 12, 2011 3:09:41 GMT -5
Hrm.. I just looked into it and it seems a tulpa is just an object/animal/person that carries out very specific tasks. Like, if you were an alchemist, it'd gather shit for you. If you wanted it to gather information, it'd sit in a meeting and then relay everything that was said to you afterwards, etc.
So I don't think they have personalities. They're just task-doers.
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Post by Baron on Dec 12, 2011 3:12:51 GMT -5
I may be mistaken here, and got Servitors/constructs mixed up with something else. But if we're talking about the same thing, the more specific their purpose is, better they'll be at it. Personality is something complex, perhaps too complex to artificially create it. Think golems, but made of aether instead of matter. You can give it simple, yet specific tasks like scouting around or haunting a place (although it'll just make noises and instill fear, at most), but you can't ask it to solve math problems.
Plus, having emotional ties with a construct might get in the way of how things work, making it more dangerous than the necessary. You could mistakingly feed it the wrong kind of energy or let your emotions influence in the creation.
@nova: They can't affect the physical plane though, but they would gather information and relay it to its master later. It can also go after the information, not necessarily just sitting there.
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Post by sandal on Dec 12, 2011 22:08:48 GMT -5
An anon on the thread on /x/ yesterday claimed that they had been working on a tulpa for the past 8 months. They said that at this point in time their tulpa was visible to them (they admitted they weren't sure if it was visible to others), that it had a separate personality and thought process.
It is my understanding that a tulpa is, as you said, something like a golem but made of spirit matter, but it doesn't end with simple, menial tasks. There are marked differences between servitors, egregores (sic), and tulpas. Tulpas, from what I've heard, can and do become autonomous beings of their own after a set period of time. In fact, the Tibetan monks that are often attributed to have perfected the art of tulpa manifestation refer to a tulpa's relationship with their creator as that of "parent and child." This is what enables them to turn on their "parents" later on: the tulpa gains a sentience of its own, and becomes its own separate entity.
For this reason one must be very careful what energies and thought patterns are introduced to a tulpa in their earliest stages of development. Like a child, they are easily influenced, and can become corrupted quite quickly. I imagine the best, most foolproof way to create a tulpa is to do so in an environment completely devoid of all sensory input. Think "The Dark Retreat." Monks would do this sort of sensory deprivation for days, maybe even weeks at a time, stocking up on food prior to their pilgrimage. In complete darkness and silence, they could tune into the higher vibrational frequencies with ease. You have no idea how distracting sight and sound are until you silence them.
Anyway, that's my two cents' worth. Hope it's helped someone!
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Post by Novaweiss on Dec 12, 2011 22:19:03 GMT -5
So maybe it'd be best to just create them, have them carry out the task, and destroy them. If you need another for the same or a similar task, just make a new one, etc. It'd be a lot of work but at least it won't kill you.
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Post by Baron on Dec 12, 2011 22:23:15 GMT -5
@nova That's the idea for basic functions, but as the book I sent you says, they do get more experienced as they perform their tasks. Destroying it would set me back. sandal I've not heard or read about any servitors with personalities or thought process. As for the differences between tulpas and servitors, there's one book I have that says they're exactly the same thing, just different names. But yes, one must be careful as to what energy the servitor will be made of.
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Post by sandal on Dec 13, 2011 0:46:55 GMT -5
Interesting. I can't recall off of the top of my head everywhere I've seen them described as separate, thinking beings, but I'm certain I've seen them before. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. And yeah, I downloaded that book and I was looking at it earlier. Good information, seems to me to be accurate. My only guess is that some people go into it with different intentions. I mean, following a normal chain of logic, suppose the goal you gave to a servitor was to develop its own personality. Since there really isn't much of a restriction you can put on a servitor, it would have little choice but to follow through with your command. Thus you have ended up with a rougher version of what I'm describing. At any rate, this is speculation and conjecture. We won't really know until we try, will we?
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